BBC Sport Wales canvass the opinions of three former Wales internationals following a difficult Women's Nations League night in Germany.
Wales suffered a second successive 5-1 defeat in the inaugural Women's Nations League, this time being demolished by Germany.
"However, it's taken 12 years to get here with the same core of players - Sophie Ingle, Angharad James, Jess Fishlock - they were there when Jarmo Matikainen took over. "At the minute we are suffering in this group. Now as a player I would rather suffer in this group, playing against higher-ranked opposition.
"We've proved that we're good enough to be in this A league, all we need to do is beat Iceland on December the fifth in Swansea to stay in this division.""The message from camp, I've been reading this week, players are saying, 'we know the path we're on, we know the journey and we have to trust the process'.
"We know we have quality there - Ffion Morgan, Carrie Jones, Megan Wynne - these are players who have been in the squad a long time."You try and pick out positives but two defeats at 5-1 it's tough to think how do we recover and where do we go next?"Gemma is trying to create an identity. Can she do things better?
"The overlaps and underlaps, Germany threw everything down there and I don't think whoever's duty it was, that the plan wasn't executed very well.
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