“That’s why I ended up directing in the first place. I had been a nonfiction writer.” Paul Schrader and Oscar Isaac talk about the past, present, and future of movies 🎦 From our Spring 2023 issue.
Schrader’s latest rumination on tortured men, but Isaac had been so busy with his BAM run ofso they talked about the past, present, and future of movies instead.PAUL SCHRADER: Hey there. How are you?ISAAC: Yep, that’s me. My one day off a week.ISAAC: Of course. First question, what do you do when an actor is late to set?
SCHRADER: That’s an interesting question, because I’ve grown to not like doing so many takes. When I began, you would do five to six takes. Now, I’m down to three to four, sometimes two. Years ago, when I did a film with George C. Scott, I met with him beforehand, and he said, “I’ll give you two takes. The second one is going to be exactly like the first, but if you want a third take, you have to give me a reason for it.” And it was true.SCHRADER: Well, there’s certain things you need.
ISAAC: That’s interesting. My father was visiting and, as is his way, was undercutting what I do by talking about how he’s lost interest in fiction to a certain extent, because it feels like it’s an imitation of the real thing. It’s an interesting idea, because obviously storytelling is so integral to human nature, and I told him, “Christ spoke in parables.” Those were fictions, but he was trying to make a broader point.
SCHRADER: Being a bad boy often implies vandalism of a severe nature, or jail, or being hauled before a judge. I was raised in an environment where you could be a rebel by going to a movie. And so I still have a component in that anything worth doing is going to shake some people up, and if it’s not shaking anybody up, then maybe there’s something wrong.SCHRADER: Theatrical is dying. There’s only four real reasons left for it.
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