“I’m really anti-authority, so if I’d had a lot of discipline at home and lived inside the patriarchy, I would have been trouble” – Björk. More here: Björk wears custom Gucci by Alessandro Michele Photography by Nick Knight, Styling by Edda Gudmundsdottir
mind-blowing. I was crying over it.Fossora
B: Yes, she always had a macchiato and Icelandic meat soup. We all went there for her wake and had macchiato and meat soup in her honour. It’s three, four years now since she passed, and everything becomes lighter. All this conflict that you might have had in real life evaporates. And it’s not until I got a lot older that I understood what she was really doing – she was getting us out of the patriarchy. A lot of outlaws lived in this part of Reykjavík where I grew up, by the river. I didn’t have a bossy father figure. There were downsides to it, of course ... I was a grown-up way before my time. But
“I’m really anti-authority, so if I’d had a lot of discipline at home and lived inside the patriarchy, I would have been trouble” – Björk There has rarely been an artist as idiosyncratic and unique as you. I’m curious, what has surprised you the most in such a rich journey, which to me you’re still beginning? It feels like every time I listen to your work I say, ‘Wow, she’s almost starting over again.’ And that’s what I feel. Every time I write something it’s like my hands are absolutely empty and I have to start all over again.
Looking back at my album covers I can say, ‘Oh, that was a period of peach and mint, and the air element and no bass.”, is dark, dark, dark green and dark, dark, dark red. It’s not gold – it’s silver. We look at this, even in the word ‘queer’. It started as a word that means strange, odd, and then it became a derogatory term used as a violence, and now it’s been reclaimed to describe a community. And so that word shifted within 100 years, it has so many different life forms and it’s not fixed.I’ve always had a connection to music. And what I really love about your music is that one experiences it very much like weather – you go in and the weather comes on.
B: If what I said was of any help, that’s amazing – I am sure you will know impulsively when to retreat. I think as an extreme introvert, which is maybe something we both share, my extroversion was learnt, which doesn’t mean that it’s not sincere but it’s something I learnt later in my life. I have albums where I was very extroverted. The most extroverted album I made was probably Post [1995], which I made around the same time as maybe you are now, if you want to count books or count albums.
And I think the difference between introverts and extroverts is that when we give, when we’re in public and we’re being extroverted, we give and we lose energy. Whereas extroverts get energy from that feeling. But then you’re also asking about the emotional side of live gigs and that’s where the line between intro- and extrovert becomes a bit blurry. Sometimes you can have a concert that is going OK but perhaps the last song is actually the best version you’ve ever done, extremely extroverted. And then straight after that you maybe have three minutes where you flip into complete introversion, and if you’re lucky everybody’s also with you at that moment, thousands of people, inside your cave.
I don’t know if you’ve experienced this, but I’ve often been told – maybe because I’m queer, maybe because I’m Asian American, I don’t know – that I should be grateful for where I am. Like, ‘Don’t be too ambitious, don’t ask for too much, don’t believe that you can have that dignity, or that seriousness, taking yourself and your work seriously from start to finish.’ But I think, meanwhile, the people who make weapons never tell themselves to be humble.
OV: Some people grow older and they learn and some people grow older and they get more and more bitter and difficult, and they suffer a lot more too. And so I started to think that age is not necessarily a moniker of wisdom, but perhaps loss – that the older we get the more we lose, and that it’s the loss that amplifies how much we understand and how precious the world is. In Buddhism we have this thing called death meditation, every morning I do it myself.
But maybe it’s part of the kundalini I do, or just being a singer, the structures you build inside you with all the breathing – you become better at hyperventilating every week you do it. When warming up your voice, it’s almost like you’re building a cathedral inside your skull. And it’s a sensation, that the spiritual part of us becomes larger. I’m sure it’s the same with your Buddhist practice, but it is one of the few things that actually grows as you get older.
I’m a teacher as well, and I always end my classes by asking my students this one question – it’s a very simple one and I’ve been aching to ask you this – recently, what have you been most proud of?
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