.LolaKirke and ZoeKravitz first crossed paths as young New Yorkers. Almost a decade later, the friends hopped on Zoom for a chat about Kirke's new album 'Lady for Sale,' bad reviews, and fake orgies.
KIRKE: It’s basically about falling in love with someone who you shouldn’t be in love with, and exploding your whole life to be with that person. It’s a love story with a kind of anticlimactic but content ending. There are other things peppered in, like that song “Lady for Sale,” about the self-objectification that is necessary when you want a career in the arts.KIRKE: Well, I had just had my wisdom teeth removed and was on a lot of drugs.
KRAVITZ: Absolutely. I think if you look like you’re succeeding in any way, then people turn you into this two-dimensional idea. That’s the other thing about having any kind of internet presence as an artist—people project what they need onto you. You can be an inspiration or you can be a punching bag, but it really has nothing to do with who you are as an actual person.
KIRKE: I agree, but I think there’s less room for that now, because being an artist is so fucking expensive. You need this mainstream cosign to make it work, unless you have other means, which I’m so grateful for as an actress. But I’m exhausted, because I’m like, “I can’t quit.” because then I could never afford being a musician. I don’t know if you’ve had this experience with directing your movie, but there’s no time to sit down.
KRAVITZ: You’re also trying to connect with people in real life. People will never be as mean as they’ll be on the internet. People are actually really wonderful. There’s something about the internet that has actually restored my faith in humanity because I’m like, “This place is terrifying, but out here in the real world it’s wonderful. I like it out here.
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