'We bump all of your sad songs as if they’re club bangers.' - oliviarodrigo
ABRAMS: I love when a song is so specific that there’s not much room for interpretation. Which is unfair, because then it really corners you and can feel less universal. But I really do love it when I feel like I can see exactly what someone’s going through. You did that on every single song on. That’s why, in my opinion, you are such an important figure for not only our generation, but clearly all generations. People are like, “I remember when I went through that exact thing.
RODRIGO: You were talking about the sonics of your music. How big of a role is that in your music-making process? ABRAMS: It was whimsical. Working with him is one of the luckiest encounters in my life. Finding clarity in the forest with Aaron, with all of his instruments and toys, going on nature adventures with his kids in the creek, waking up hearing the toads, it was just bizarre. I had an actual open space where I could get out of my head, and I felt more like myself in that situation than I ever have. That was a jarring realization, having grown up in L.A.
RODRIGO: It’s different every time. Lyrics and melody come at the same time. I literally write all of my songs right here in my bedroom, looking out the window. [. I like having the first seeds of ideas come from just me. It’s hard for me to go straight into a studio with people, even if I’m really close with them. I like having a concept, or a poem, and going in with that.
ABRAMS: Totally. I know we haven’t talked about it, but it was hard for the first two years. I loved Barnard more than anything. I technically didn’t drop out, and I’m on a leave of absence. I intend eventually to return, because I admire and have so much gratitude for that community. It’s wild, my class is graduating this year and it’s just this crazytime.
RODRIGO: I mean, I’m very nervous. I’ve never done anything like this before. Mixed emotions. I saw you at The Roxy recently, which was magical. I was just in the audience, bawling, it was so
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